. >> well, no, because we still have no child left behind, it's still the law, and more than -- more than half the schools in the country are now considered failing schools, even though they're not failing, some of the best schools in the nation have been abeled failing schools, it's because of this crazy federal law that we have and president obama's policy has demoralized teachers massively across the country, because he's saying that if the test scores don't go up, they should lose their jobs. that they're not good teachers if the test scores don't go up, and that's juut wrong. >> let me -- let me play the testing advocate here against you. >> sure. >> a straw man, but let me let you take a whack at me here. what is wrong with knowing how our kids are doing in school. what's your problem with accountability? >> i think hat testing can be very valuable when it's used o help kids. i think it can be very valuable when it's diagnostic, when you can give johnny or maria a test and say, you know, we need more -- you need more help here, you can even say the teacher needs more help, the